Problem using parenthesis with Keyman Hebrew (SIL)

I use Keyman with Hebrew (SIL) on a Mac with OS 16 and Word 16.69 (365 subscription). When trying to type a Hebrew word inside parenthesis, the closing parenthesis "jumps’ out of place. I’ll type a word and then try to put an alternate word in parentheses. After spacing between words, I’ll type the open parenthesis, which makes that character jump to the right margin of the line. I’ll type the first Hebrew character of the word I want in parentheses, and that letter plus the open parenthesis jumps back into place. I’ll type the rest of the word, and then when I type the closing parenthesis, that character jumps to the right margin again. I have tried several iterations and “tricks” to get this to work, but I cannot simply type a Hebrew word inside parentheses. Any help?
UPDATE - a few more details. After typing a word (Hebrew 1st person pronoun), I entered a space, typed the open parenthesis, and the “)” character (which is the opening parenthesis for Hebrew) aligned on the right margin. The alignment is set as right aligned. I then typed the longer spelling for the pronoun, and after typing the first character (aleph), that character and the opening parenthesis moved to the left of the first word, continuing as it should after the first word with a space between. I then typed the rest of the pronoun and typed the close quote character “(”, and it jumped to the right margin also. NOTE: on the Hebrew keyboard, typing the English open paren character “(” outputs the Hebrew open paren character “)” as it should. I then typed another space character and entered another letter, aleph again in this case. As soon as I typed that character, the close quote and the new aleph character moved to the left of the word I’m trying to enclose in parentheses. The output produced a space after the second word, the close paren, and the next letter with no space between the close paren and the aleph I typed.

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Welcome to the community, @mcb.

I am sorry that you have to deal with this issue, but I do not know enough to help with this issue as it is highly language specific. Hope others can jump in to help.

@Marc @Shawn @drowe @Lorna

Hello @mcb, could I get some additional information from you to help investigate this issue?

  1. Please provide the minimal keystrokes that I would type on a US keyboard to reproduce the problem. (This will help make up for the lack of Hebrew knowledge on our team.)

  2. I don’t recognize the MacOS version number. What version info do you see when you select About This Mac under the Apple menu? Also, what version of Keyman are you using?

  3. Do you see a different result if you type the same characters in another text editor that comes with your Mac, such as Pages or TextEdit?

Thank you for your response, and I apologize for taking a few days to reply. I’ve been sick.

  1. The minimal keystrokes to duplicate what I’ve been experiencing would be these: >, [space], (, >, ). That will result in an aleph character, a space, open parenthesis, aleph character, close parenthesis.

  2. Here is an image of my Mac’s info:
    Screenshot 2023-02-17 at 11.13.57 AM.png
    The version of Keyman is 15.0.274.

  3. I see the same kind of problem with Word and Pages, although Pages behaves slightly differently. When I typed these same characters in TextEditor, everything worked the way it should. I hadn’t tried that before.

Thank you again for your response.
Michael Beard

Hi Michael,

I’m sure that Keyman for Mac is not producing the correct output for Hebrew, but I think I need to clarify a little further.

If you type the following, in order from left to right:
[>][space][left paren][>][right paren]
Do you expect to see the following output?
א (א)

For TextEdit, I see:

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and for Pages, I see:

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Thanks for your patience and sorry for the delay in getting back to you.


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Hello! The end of semester kept me away from this for quite a while. Apologies. I followed your keystrokes, expecting to see the first output you listed (answering your question, “Do you expect to see the following output?” - yes, that’s what is expected. The output, however, was what you displayed for Pages. In both Pages and Word, that’s the result I get. Thank you!